<<< native [ EUnder False (EOver False (EIdentifier "- middle -") (EIdentifier "top")) (EPhantom (EIdentifier "fail")) , ESymbol Rel "=" , EOver False (EUnder False (EIdentifier "- middle -") (EPhantom (EIdentifier "fail"))) (EIdentifier "top") ] >>> tex \underset{\phantom{fail}}{\overset{top}{-\ middle\ -}} = \overset{top}{\underset{\phantom{fail}}{-\ middle\ -}}