<<< native [ EOver False (EUnder False (EIdentifier "- middle -") (EIdentifier "bottom")) (EPhantom (EIdentifier "fail")) , ESymbol Rel "=" , EUnder False (EOver False (EIdentifier "- middle -") (EPhantom (EIdentifier "fail"))) (EIdentifier "bottom") ] >>> tex \overset{\phantom{fail}}{\underset{bottom}{-\ middle\ -}} = \underset{bottom}{\overset{\phantom{fail}}{-\ middle\ -}}